Eva Vlaar­din­ger­broek: „Euro­peans‘ doci­lity to state abuse of power“, Part 1

By JÖRG WOLLSCHLÄGER | Tucker Carlson inter­viewed the beau­tiful poli­tical commen­tator Eva Vlaar­din­ger­broek on his Today programme. Tucker astounds her with her descrip­tions of a bizarre quota system for the skin colour of concert-goers in the Dutch culture industry and the open racism towards her by the media. She describes her search for the truth and how resis­tance from the system only made her more persis­tent; she always received uncon­di­tional support and strength from her family. The subser­vi­ence of Euro­peans to tyranny by their govern­ments upsets her.

The follo­wing inter­view was recorded in the Fox News studio on 18.7. 2022 and tran­scribed and trans­lated by Our Central Europe, further parts will follow. A short trailer can be seen on Eva’s Twitter account.

After having been on @tuckercarlsontonight 4x remo­tely from Europe, I now had the honor of having an hour long conver­sa­tion with Tucker about the state of Europe for ‘Tucker Carlson Today’. The inter­view streams exclu­si­vely on @foxnation. pic.twitter.com/9oYzsrujwQ

— Eva Vlaar­din­ger­broek (@EvaVlaar) June 18, 2022

Ultra-libe­ra­lism led to a radical change in her thinking

TC: Welcome to Tucker Carlson today! Eva Vlaar­din­ger­broek is a lawyer from the nether­lands, she’s a legal philo­so­pher. She joined us repea­tedly on our nightime of our show. We first met her in Hungary were we were doing a docu­men­tary on Victor Orban. She is now in the United States, she is someone who was described by a Dutch news­paper as: ‑we are recor­ding now- the stylish face of the radical right wing, so of course we wanted to meet her in person. And here she is. Great to see you!

EV: Great to see you! Thank you so much.

TK: I love that. And you are a hand­maid of the far right.

EV: Now..a hand­maid of whiteness. It’s worse, and then prin­cess of the far right, oh I don’t even know. So many weird things.

TK: Many slurs, so they don’t like you. The media in your own country. Tell us who you are, where you are from, I got to hear!

EV: I’m 25, I’m Dutch, I’m a lawyer as you said. Well, I’m a poli­tical commen­tator, the stylish face of the right wing as they said, radical right win.

TK: Where did you grow up?

EV:  I grew up around Amsterdam, in the Nether­lands, so very close to the capital.

TK: The most liberal city in the world.

EV: Ja, defi­ni­tively. And I think that’s why I am the way I am now.

TK: What did your parents do?

EV: My parents are both in the clas­sical music industry. So, very left wing, very liberal.

TK: Of course. You were at odds.

EV: Which was not always easy for them.

TK: How did you wind up diffe­rent from ever­y­body else?

Quotas by skin colour for orchestra visitors

EV: I think both my father and my mother really appre­ciate western culture. Because obviously they are so close to it. The grea­test things, western art, western culture has produced. So I think they just appre­ciate it for what it is. They see that these new rules, these new…the way that the govern­ment handles subsi­di­zing or orchestras or museums and things with all these rules for how many diffe­rent sexes you have in there. You know if the city.. all these weird new liberal, left wing iden­tity poli­tics. They really have been against all of that.

TK: They keep track of the skin colour of the visitor?

EV: Oh ja. Oh ja. Not just the people who play, the musi­cians, but also the audi­ence. They will say you get less money from our funding from the govern­ment. If you don’t have a certain quota  that you have to reach.

TK: In the audience?

EV: Oh ja. Ja ja.

TK: So its like full Nazi situa­tion where they keep track of ever­yones race?

EV: They track your race, they track your sex, they track all of that abso­lutely. That’s also what I have noticed in the public debate. When­ever they talked about me. They always have no trouble talking about my blue eyes and my blond hair when they describe me. No, for sure.

TK: I think we gave that up after the second world war, where it was considered immoral for govern­ments to track peoples genes, their ethni­city. So the Nazis kind of discredited that, that was my view growing up. That has changed. Obviously.

EV: That’s changed. That’s changed. And you can be very critical obio­usly when it’s white peoples. So when you talk about white people beeing arians. When you talk about mino­ri­ties being in the front, the fore­front that is  a good thing. So, it kind of, they talk about it too. Now its time that we turn the table. Right so, thats how its been done before.

Demo­cracy in the Nether­lands a show

TK: So you grew up in this envi­ron­ment. From a tradi­tional American perspec­tive that’s a confor­mist  society. That’s not an attack, but there a premium placed on coope­ra­tion and ever­yone getting along. Same views. Is that accurate?

EV: No. I wouldn’t say so, although I think that that is some­thing you can still say  about the Nether­lands and if I see the way that they talk in my coutry about America and about the American debate. It’ s so pola­rized, you know you have only two parties and you have much more here, if that’s demo­cratic then our country is, because we have- last that I counted we have 37 parties I think, that were   on the list for you to choose from. But I don’t  find that to be the reality  whatsoever. The debate is even more harsher in the US in many ways and the oppo­si­tion is less visible, less  strong. In a way I think the debate at home is even worse, because it has so… people have the idea that they are in this fair balance, where there is really not.

TK: Because you have so many parties that it gives the illu­sion that there is a diver­sity of views. Most of the parties  are all aligned with each other. They form blocks.

EV: They form blocks. After the elec­tions all these talking points for neo-liberal parties just go out the window, that’s all for show. They go hand in hand with the left, it’s open borders its liberal poli­cies. Of course we also have the Euro­pean Union  and that makes a lot of the laws that we are subjected to. And we can choose any of these people, that is not all of them, that make all these laws for us. They tell us.

TK: Beeing ruled by people you didn’t vote for is now called democracy?

EV: Ja, oh ja, they call it demo­cracy. And people like me and people like you are threats to demo­cracy. Because we are dissi­dent voices. That’s their favou­rite way of dealing with us of course. They say, you’re not  you know not another voice in the debate, no what you say is a danger to demo­cracy, is misin­for­ma­tion. And they use a lot of legal instru­ments actually to crack down on peole like us.  Because we don’t have a first amendment.

TK: How is that noti­ceable. You don’t have a first amendment.

EV: I think we..

TK: Do get people punished for speaking?

EV: Yes. You see people punished for spea­king. I think.For example a very well known poli­ti­cian in the Nether­lands on the right wing, Geerd Wilders, I don’t know if you ever heard of him.

TK: Of course.

EV: Ja. He has been convicted of hate speach. So you can see that even the estab­lis­ment goes after poli­ti­cians who dissent from beeing left wing, globalist,a rhetoric. When..legal means. And you can see that not just for poli­ti­cians. But during Covid for example we’ve seen that beeing used against ordi­nary civi­lians. Oh yes. They will have task forces even a mili­tary task force in the Nether­lands that is completely..that has this one job. And that is to crack down on free speech. And they will say that ever­y­thing that goes against the govern­ments narra­tive when it comes to Covid for example, forms a danger for society. Ther­e­fore its disin­for­ma­tion, we need to take it down. So..

TK: And they use force to do that?

EV: Well not…You probably have seen all the demons­tra­tions that we had where the police used force against protes­ters. That they have done for sure.  But not yet when it comes to freedom of speech, where they crack down on…They haven’t done that with force yet. But..

TK: What they had done is to stop doing some­thing, the threat is inherent.

EV: Ja.  And we don’t have guns, because like I said we don’t have a first amend­ment. But we surely don’t have a second amendment.

TK: So its not a free country.

EV: Its an illu­sion of a free country. All the things that I find important for a free demo­cratic nation are not real. So if you are going to arrest, as a state arrest distance, you don’t have free speech. If you have poli­ti­cians, first we had Geerd Wilders for example, but he is protected 24/7 because his live is not sure. Because he is always under threat of radical isla­mists that are also beeing imported by the same elites. And you have the state that comes after him. And prose­cutes him for things that he says. I don’t think that you can talk of a real free nation, no.

TK: So what was is like to grow up with hete­rodox views, not  agre­eing with the regime in a country like the Netherlands.

Suppres­sion of dissent in the educa­tion system

EV: Oh you notice that very early on. So I think that I have started noti­cing it from basi­cally halfway from high­school when I started joining things like the debate club. I thought that I was a femi­nist, because I read a book from … a Soma­lian woman who was circumcized or muti­lated I should actually say. Gene­ri­cally muti­lated and I thought well that’s horrible. There are cultures in the world that don’t treat women the way we treat them. So I am not sure…I must be a femi­nist, 16 year old me thought. That is what femi­nists should fight against. And I found out very quickly that joining femi­nists groups that is not some­thing you were allowed to talk about. That the femi­nists in the media did not think that wearing headscarfs or muti­la­tion was a bad thing. No, you as a white woman have no right to talk about that. So I think..

TK: They said that out lound?

EV: Of course, ja I think throug­hout my life going to these types of clubs, going to meet femi­nists, also going to univer­sity thin­king: now its the time for an academic, free debate and noti­cing first week basi­cally that my teachers noti­cing what you’re saying, that’s not science. That is just opinion or that is a dange­rous view or that is a dange­rous thought. I think I have just gone from disil­lu­sion to disillusion.

TK: The people and the whole kind of system that you are describing is conveiing a message to most people that it’s not working. Disagre­eing, just be quiet, just get in line.

EV: Yes.

TK: Because the conse­quences of being diffe­rent are tough. So why  did you decide not to obey?

EV: I think every single time that I endured that , every single time that I noticed that the system fougth back, it was more of a clou for me that I was on the right track. And I saw and I think someone like you see that all the time. They come down at you so strongly for things that..if you just listen to what they say its actually the complete oppo­site of what they preach. They say, oh we want a lot of young women come and speak out in the public debate. And to be active and the moment I did for the very first time.

TK: They attack you on the base of your skin colour.

EV: They say you are an aryan prin­cess and you are  a far right radical, we need …you pose a danger to society. And I thought to myself well, that can’t be right, so your very right. What they are doing is showing a clear message to the people. Few do this, they show you: this is what we will do to you. You speak out about the things we don’t like you to speak out about, we are going to come after you. And its a very cleat example to other young people or to anyone for that matter. You can go down that road without being repri­manded by the estab­lis­ment. Ja.

Search for Truth

TK: What did your parents say?

EV: I am very very fort­u­nate to have two parents who support me, no matter what. But I know that’s not the case for a lot of people. So for me, even in the hardest days, when, you know I had  basi­cally the entire poli­tical estab­lish­ment come after me or and had friend who said I don’t want to be friends with you anymore for the things that you say. My parents were always there. So to have that save an secure home and foun­da­tion is basi­cally what helped me throug­hout this.

TK: What an impo­sing atti­tude. What would be your guess as to the percen­tage of the Dutch popu­la­tion that roughly agrees with you?

EV: Oh, I think the percen­tage that agrees is much higher than what is reflected in the way they vote. That. So for example there was this survey I think, conducted in 1999 already. Where the Dutch popu­la­tion was asked about mass migra­tion or immi­gra­tion. And they said then that.. a large majo­rity said that this is one of the biggest mistakes we ever made in Dutch history. And that was way before the refugee influx.

TK: What would have be a bigger mistake?

EV: Oh you know, they could have talked about a lot. A lot.

TK: Can you think of a bigger mistake.

EV: They are taking up New .…Amsterdam to the Brexit. …New York

TK: Very bright. A new deal on that. I don’t think they want it now though. I haven’t been there recently.

EV: I haven’t been there either, so we ‘re gone..

Mass migra­tion changes country beyond recognition

TK: I am sure you would make your judge­ments on New York City. But ähem, what. How has mass migra­tion changed society, changed the country?

EV: The Dutch society that has changed as a whole beyound reco­gni­tion. At some places. So if you go to any major Euro­pean city, just a little bit ..just outside of the historic center for example. In some of these parts you won’t know that you are in Europe any more. It would be a little Africa. And it has changed to such a degree that a young woman like me wouldn’t.. First of all you ‘re not advised to go out after dark alone. But there are certain area where you should just not go alone. Like whatsoever, because its too unsafe for you to go. And you see it in the way or we see who would inherit the native language in that areas. You wouldn’t hear a Dutch or you wouldn’t hear a  Swedish, you would hear Arabic. You wouldn’t see the Dutch or Swedish language written, you would see signs in these languages, because…The govern­ment also commu­ni­cates to these people in their own languages , because they go along with it all. So I would say ja, it really has changed our conti­nent. Beyound reco­gni­tion, as we made it very unsafe and we have lost in many ways our national and our conti­netal identity.

TK: So there is a penatly for saying…so why the hysteria, why the.. So living in a cohe­sive an safe society is the goal of ever­yone, no matter what colour you are and what language you. Ever­yone  wants to live in a place that’s peaceful, where ever­yone gets along.

EV: So one should think.

TK: I think that’s German. Nige­rias problems .. ever­yone knows what kind of problems.. but if one lives  in a harmo­nious society. You’re home­country has become less so, less harmo­nious, less sav, probably less prospe­rous too.  Why can’t you say that out loud?

EV: You can’t say that out loud, because obviously, they say it goes against the poli­cies that they have that the people who ruled our count­ries, the liberal elites, that ruled our count­ries for the last decades that …It goes against those poli­cies. So you’re attacking them and that could threaten their power that’s why I think for sure.

TK: Yes.

EV: And the other thing is that it goes also against the world view that these people will have. And I think its a sort of an alli­ance of, a weird alli­ance you could almost say. between the neo-liberal, capi­ta­list elite of Europe that is pro open borders, but for economic reasons and the left wing that says: Oh we  should all live toge­ther, one world, one culture, we are all humans, we can handle this, you know dance around… rain­bows. So that sort of alliance..

TK: But they don’t actuallly fit toge­ther, there is 99 % Han Chinese, Korea is over­whel­mingly Korean. Bukina Faso is African. They don’t apolo­gize at all. They are not saying China is too Chinese. They never mention that its fine. It’s only Europa.

EV: I think a lot has to do with the fact that we still live under the curse of the second world war. Evil as gotten a real, visible face in the coll­ec­tive memo­ries of Euro­peans. It’s obviously under the nazi regime. So the white man is the problem. Patri­ar­chal struc­tures are the problem. Natio­na­lism is the problem. So I think if you are like with me. If you are a blond woman on the right side, you’re imme­dia­tely in that camp. And thats sort of the only thing people seem to think about our days. Ok, if you are here to repre­sent these values we will have a second world war or a world war on our hands. So its that simple. Really that type of mindset.

TK: Well, that’s so mindless.

EV: It’s very mind­less, but it’s a very good means to an end to silence dissi­dents. So its a very good way to stay in power.

TK: Ah. Was Europe libe­rated from the Nazis, but not the Chinese?

EV: No.

TK: It wasn’t . So it actually doesn’t make any sense.

EV: No.

TK: But its Europe specific. All coun­ries in Europe and the English spea­king world. Is not allowed to have..

EV: Europe for Europeans.

TK: Right. A cohe­sive society. So ahm.. ha What percen­tage you said the poll from the 1990s now thinks that mass migra­tion  brings peril to Europe?

EV: It depends per country. But in a society like France you would think that, you know, its much higher. There has been huge numbers of terro­rist attacks ever since the migrant wave in 2015, that society has really been disin­te­gra­ting in a way that you almost don’t see in any other country in Europe, maybe apart from Sweden for example. And I really hope this time that Le Pen would win the elec­tions or that someone of her ilk brings about change.

TK: Yes.

EV: But it hasn’t happened.

TK: No.

Euro­peans‘ doci­lity to state abuse of power

EV: So I’m very worried about that, I think if I had to say one thing, that is the main diffe­rence to me at least beween America and Europe: It’s that we live under this type of tyranny and we don’t see it, because we don’t distrust our own govern­ments. The Euro­pean people are very docile in that sense. And again that’s reflected in our consti­tu­tions, no second amend­ment for us.

TK: Again, I am struck how none- sensical it is. So if you are drawing lessons from the second world war, I think it is worth doing that,sure,  from the tyranny that descended over Europe. One of the lessons, the main would be, don’t trust your govern­ment. Poli­ti­cians are not always telling the truth, some­times they have bad inten­tions and the second lesson would be, don’t disarm you popu­la­tion, because then you are powerless.

EV: Right. We have the Euro­pean Union, Tucker, don’t forget. For it’s not just our national govern­ments, we have union of all these count­ries that came toge­ther because we want peace. That was the whole idea, you know behind the Euro­pean Union and the people still buy that. So even though we have an ever growing union.

TK: Do they probaly think that?

Covid Segre­ga­tion

EV: Oh ja, sadly I do. A lot of people when they talk about the Euro­pean Union they do, even in the center right for example. They think about it in that way. They think that natio­na­lism is a bad thing that needs to be eradi­cated, that leads to war. The Euro­pean Union is here to protect us from going into that. Because that’s a lie that has been repeated so often and so loudly throug­hout the ..well basi­cally  all parts of society, espe­ci­ally in academia. That people have really started to believe it, don’t ques­tion it. So the idea that the govern­ment is not your friend, its not appa­rent to a lot of people and even  during Covid when you could see how badly the govern­ment can treat its own citi­zens. And how soon…suddenly this idea of segre­ga­tion based on medical records for example was accepted. It baffles me that people don’t see that.

TK: So you went in here for Covid?

EV: Abso­lutely. Stuck on my own.

TK: Tell us what you saw.

EV: Well we saw a crack­down on our human rights that’s unpre­ce­dented I would  say since the second world war. Which is also some­thing that is also abso­lutely prohi­bited to say. You can’t say that.

TK: Why?

EV: Because its all for your safety. It’s all for your health. There is no bad evil plan behind the way govern­ments have treated us during this pandemic.

TK: Calling certain subsets of the popu­la­tion dirty and dise­ased. We haven’t seen that before in Europe  did we?  Probably?

EV: No, we haven’t. Macrons percep­tion is that he wants to piss off ever­yone who wants to decide what they want to do with their body for them­selves. No those people are not real citi­zens. And ever­y­body just seems to glance over that. If you would hear that kind of rhetoric some­where else in the world you would be sure that amnesty inter­na­tional would be sounding the alarm.

TK: Of course, espe­ci­ally in Europe. Again, if you say this mino­rity of our citi­zens is dirty.

EV: Right.

TK: Don’t touch them.

EV: Dirty.

TK: How would that mani­fest itself?Were you in Amsterdam, you said Amsterdam…

EV: Yes. It mani­fests itself in, basi­cally a year of lock­down. So that lock­down, in holland there was a curfew. So you couldn’t basi­cally leave your house after 9 P.M. I’ ve been in Vienna to go to a protest when this was all reaching its peak, when they were trying to intro­duce manda­tory vacci­na­tions in Austria. There it even was so that there was a lock­down for the unvac­ci­nated. I was out in Vienna, protesting against, well, this regime. It was basi­cally illegal for me to be outside.